Utah easily the worst state in the USA and it's not even really close

Second place is Missouri and third is Indiana

@vriska "and what's wrong with Utah?"

@vriska the skiing is nice

@patchuun the skiing is better in places that aren't run by insane cultists that have a disproportionate amount of cultural influence

@patchuun @vriska honestly kinda fucked up that i ski and ive spent a lot of time in utah but ive never skied in utah. i made plans one time and they fell through

@patchuun @vriska i have flagstaff within my own state though

@vriska no trust me the skiing in utah is on another level and I live in a GREAT state for skiing. they get so much snow man it's not fucking fair

@eris @vriska soulmates

@vriska@lizards.live never been and never want to

@lizzie @patchuun @vriska hol up you skii??

@eris @vriska have you ever seen a Utah citizen? Nasty little creatures

@monkey @patchuun @vriska not well or in years but yeah

@vriska missouri is the real mormon holy land too

@vriska Where would you rank Oklahoma?

@monkey @vriska yep I'm from Arizona, for some reason a lot of Utah folks move down there and then back up like 1/3rd of my school was mormon

@eris@yourwalls.today @monkey@brain.worm.pink @vriska@lizards.live they're working on the Greater Utah Project

@monkey @vriska one time in AP English one of them used the whiteboard to explain the Mormon mythos and what they're supposed to do on earth between planets (the one they were on before and the next one) and I'll never forget it, it was insane

@allison bottom 10 easily.

@eris@yourwalls.today @monkey@brain.worm.pink @vriska@lizards.live the history of mormonism is ridiculous too. joseph smith was a career con-man

@vriska @allison they get cool weather, lots of supercells and tornadoes

@anemone @eris @monkey they literally beat him to death in the streets lmao

@vriska agree. my personal worst 4 states are what I like to term the hell quadrant (oklahoma, kansas, arkansas, missouri), then tidewater america (maryland, virginia, the carolinas) which is the blue version of the aforementioned hell quadrant, then everything else is case by case.

@lizzie @patchuun @vriska it's not about shredding it's about getting out on the powder. that's pretty cool tbh. and cold cause well you know. the snow.

@allison kansas and our kansas are aslo really awful. texas would be ranked much lower on my list if not for the pro wrestling history there tbh lmao

@eris @vriska yeah I'm in AZ and near a really big mormon temple lol.

@patchuun@social.xenofem.me @vriska@lizards.live @allison@hidamari.apartments thats bad not good

@vriska @anemone @eris what??? WHAT????

@anemone @vriska @allison but I like supercells and tornadoes

@patchuun @allison @vriska yea but so does north texas (or most of the great plains really)

@vriska texas is a state I want to love but can't because Reasons

@monkey @anemone @eris joseph smith was beaten to death by an angry mob when his scamming caught up with him

@vriska @anemone @eris how the fuck have I never heard of this until now???? He's tarnished the smith name :(

@vriska @anemone @eris I'm gonna pour out a swig in his honor

@allison The Funk family and Fritz Von Erich do a LOT of lifting for me on the texas front

@monkey@brain.worm.pink @vriska@lizards.live @eris@yourwalls.today mormonism is if saul goodman started a religion and was also a sex creep

@monkey @vriska @eris oh hey this is a good time for the wren lore drop of I Was Raised Mormon Lol

@ikeWren @monkey @eris glad you got out of that

@ikeWren @vriska @eris I'm getting blackpilled on mormons I was raised by a lesbian libertarian TERF and thought my upbringing was cursed.

@monkey @ikeWren @eris mormons make scientologists look normal tbh

@anemone @vriska @eris @monkey if southern protestants got me to start hating christians again, dealing with mormons would probably have me joining a left-wing christian death squad

@lewdthewides @monkey @anemone @eris the big online discourse recently has been everyone saying mormons arent christians and it REALLY pisses them off lmao

@vriska @monkey @eris i Don't Agree mormons are basically weird evangelicals when you really get down to it scientologists are strange and scary

@eris@yourwalls.today @vriska@lizards.live Never visited other parts of the Southwest besides Arizona, Southern Nevada, and California, but this makes me scared of even driving past Utah ​​

@vriska@lizards.live @lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments @monkey@brain.worm.pink @eris@yourwalls.today its really funny but also fuck kegstand

@vriska @anemone @monkey date idea

@vriska @eris @monkey the main similarity is just the Secretive Rituals but the mormon secretive rituals are kinda benign in comparison based on my understanding of the scientologist secretive rituals

@monkey @patchuun @vriska trve

@vriska @lewdthewides @monkey @anemone @eris I thought they weren't, they're like the 4th abramahic religion or whatever, they're too different

@Merc @monkey @anemone @lewdthewides @eris they aren't christians

@vriska @lewdthewides @monkey @anemone @eris weren't they removed from the list of christian denominations recently

@hakui @monkey @anemone @lewdthewides @eris no, a graphic design choice made one of the many insane mormons who weilds insane amount of cultural power in the USA have a meltdown about it so they changed it again.

@eris @monkey @vriska honestly modern mormonism highkey lost its sauce . they used to have seer stones and wizard staffs nobody doing that shit anymore ... Sad!!

@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @vriska@lizards.live @lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments @monkey@brain.worm.pink @eris@yourwalls.today the pentagon had some list of religions for something and mormons weren't classified as christian lol

@Merc @monkey @anemone @vriska @eris they aren't, but they think voting Republican makes them one

@lewdthewides @monkey @anemone @vriska @eris I mean there's no shame in being not a Christian I'm not sure why they'd be fixated on it

@anemone @lewdthewides @hakui @vriska @eris @monkey they kinda backpedaled on that and just removed that classification system entirely lmao

@Merc @monkey @anemone @lewdthewides @vriska @eris because they're republicans. its circular reasoning

@ikeWren @anemone @eris @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska a shame, i'd like to ask the unsolicited mormons i see sometimes what they feel about that

@ikeWren @monkey @eris idk I think saying that aliens came to earth in a commercial jet and live inside of volcanos and you need to have L'Ron Hubbards Magic Mystery Machine exercise you of all of your sins is just as insane as "the garden of eden is in missouri and the mormon elder psychics give you astrology readings by feeling up your scalp for hours (especially if you're a 16 year old girl) and if you donate all of your money to us you geet to be god of your own planet"

@vriska @monkey @eris oh that reminds me about how mormons have like basically their own version of holy water but it's oil . kinda funny

@vriska @eris @monkey my dad had a tiny little vial of this stuff on his keychain for like years and years until covid+my coming out miraculously got my parents to leave the church

@allison @vriska gee I wonder why 🐒

@waff @vriska setting aside the current culture war stuff, the entire state is being bulldozed over with mcmansions, datacenters, and office parks as we speak

@Merc @monkey @anemone @lewdthewides @vriska @eris a lot of people make this argument because they have their own book of scripture but mormons still do believe all the most fundamental christian stuff (i.e. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, died for your sins, etc etc etc) and do still consider themselves christian . the subtitle of the book of mormon is literally "another testament of Jesus Christ" . so i think it makes the most sense to consider mormons christian . compare to the other abrahamic religions , which do not venerate jesus christ as their Savior and whatnot

@ikeWren @monkey @vriska @eris not related to mormonism, but my dad keeps around a facsimilie of what he believes the old testament anointing oil was, on top of the usual suspects which are listed in the text, it's infused with cannabis because he believes it had it but the cultural context implying it was lost so it has to be personally inferred from whatever perceived scraps of info were left in the text (typical prot behavior)

@ikeWren @monkey @vriska @eris fr i grew up with my mom saying shit about how there used to be a second planet stacked on top of earth and the 10 lost tribes of israel went on it and then the planet moved away and that’s why theyre gone

or that mormon god the father is a link in a chain of gods and he’s ours and those in the celestial kingdom get their owns and also that my mom is going to hell according to mormonism bc she left the mormon church, and the family trips to utah where all the soda was caffeine free bc they hadnt said cold caffeinated drinks were okay yet, and the talk about how my mom’s own sister basically wouldnt talk to her for a year while they lived in the same house bc she left the church and how she got super excommunicated (mormon missionaries still arent allowed to step on the property where she lives. they have a contract with usps so they can keep track of that)

actually maybe its good they changed a lot. a little of the silly should have stuck around though

@allison @monkey @ikeWren @vriska @eris he's kind of real for that actually

@allison @monkey @vriska @eris no officer it's not weed oil it's from bible. it's my divinely consecrated cbd

@patchuun @monkey @ikeWren @vriska @eris that he is, it's just really funny to think about

@Merc @anemone @eris @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska probably my most egregious mormon apologia but i do genuinely think that practical mormon theology has more in common with christianity than not

@vriska @ikeWren @monkey @eris to me the most interesting part of L. Ron Hubbard's biography is his Thelemite arc

@Merc @anemone @eris @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska my wife disagrees with me exclusively based on the fact that mormons are social trinitarians instead of nicene trinitarians which isnt even a mormon thing . kinda funny to me

@ikeWren @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @vriska @eris iirc a corporeal father is like very much a thing of mormon theology even if de-emphasized and idk how you can do that without social trinitarianism tbh

@lizzie @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @vriska @eris oh yeah for sure mormons are very much social trinitarians it's just a kind of ridiculous thing to disqualify them from christianity for and not even an original piece of theology

@vriska florida is merely hellish where utah is downright demonic

@ikeWren @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @vriska @eris wym not an original piece of theology?

@lizzie @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @vriska @eris mormons are neither the only social trinitarians nor were they the first

@ikeWren @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @vriska @eris i gathered thats what you meant i just wanted to know who the others are/were bc this is new information to me

@ikeWren @monkey @eris @vriska wow I had no idea you weren't still mormon

@gamerrockettech @eris @monkey @vriska WHAT

@ikeWren @gamerrockettech @vriska @eris what indeed. I definitely don't take you for a Mormon

@monkey @ikeWren @eris @gamerrockettech @vriska fr i was surprised to find out she ever was today tbh

@lizzie @Merc @anemone @eris @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska 7th day adventists are kind-of-sort-of social trinitarian as well as some eastern orthodox christians

@gamerrockettech @eris @monkey @vriska i'm always saying shit like "fuck" that's like . the least mormon thing you can do . aside from being gay and transgender , both of which are also things that i am

erm actually they are social trinitarians not nicene trinitarians... so they arent christians.

@anemone @vriska @eris @monkey mormonism is better call saul season 2

@gamerrockettech @eris @monkey @vriska oh and drinking alcohol . that's a big No . did you even read my whiskeyposting

@Merc @monkey @anemone @lewdthewides @vriska @eris the whole schtick is that they were given the hidden TRUE version of what the God of Jesus Christ meant to reveal to mankind...

@Merc @monkey @anemone @vriska @eris it's the only way to be respected in the republican party

@lewdthewides @monkey @anemone @Merc @vriska @eris or mainstream federal American politics

@Merc @anemone @eris @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska ......then again that's also what the Muslims say so i guess we're back to https://brain.worm.pink/notice/B7BCvAwslEvY1Y8nxo

@ikeWren @eris @monkey @vriska I just figured mormons were always talking about gender acceleration

@ikeWren @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @vriska @eris
> seventh day adventists kinda
interesting, though theyre another group thats considered at least at the very edge of christianity
> some eastern orthodox christians
WHAT

@lizzie @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @ikeWren @vriska @eris please elaborate on social trinitarianism on the fringes of eastern orthodoxy, I'm *very* interested

@allison @monkey @anemone @Merc @lewdthewides @ikeWren @vriska @eris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Zizioulas wikipedia does list him as an instance interestingly

@eris @vriska instantly reminded of this face i saw on the news earlier tonight https://fraservalleytoday.ca/2026/06/08/sentencing-begins-for-fraser-valley-woman-convicted-of-sex-trafficking-of-minors-assault/

@allison @Merc @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska i cant find how he might differ from nicene trinitarianism from this wikipedia page though

Wow I could have sworn you were a child of Islam. Thats a shame.

@Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska like it describes his perspective of God in a way that makes it sound very generically orthodox tbh

@Erato_Heti @ikeWren real trinitarianism has never been tried

@Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska as long as simplicity is not denied i dont see why it would be objectionable tbh. if they start to challenge that simplicity then id question whether it can be considered christian. my church does count mormon baptism’s fwiw thoug more bc they de-emphasize intent (which i think is correct and something they should go harder on tbh)

@vriska

@vriska not Idaho?

@Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska i think its kinda fun that its up to the diocese of utah and the diocese of utah says they count so they count

@lizzie @Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska
> Social trinitarianism is a Christian interpretation of the Trinity as consisting of three persons, each person having their own center of consciousness. These persons are united in a loving relationship, which reflects a model for human relationships.[1][2] The teaching emphasizes that God is an inherently social being.[3] Human unity approaches conformity to the image of God's unity through self-giving, empathy, adoration for one another, etc. Such love is a fitting ethical likeness to God but is in stark contrast to God's unity of being.[4]

seems pretty much the teaching i saw all the time in my ☦️ days

trying to imagine the contradiction of this and not getting much that can't be said to be modalism (EDIT: or the denial of the "is not" on that shield diagram, which i now notice is the illustration for this wiki entry)

@ophis @Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska yeah this actually seems extremely nicene to me? idk “center of consciousness” could be used to describe something heretical but i don’t see cause to assume that. thats part of why i refocused any objection on whether or not it denies divine simplicity, which nicaea’s homousios necessitates

@lizzie @monkey @ophis @anemone @Merc @allison @lewdthewides @vriska @eris i don't knowww i'm scared .....

@lizzie @Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska i still have no idea what a "will" is lol

@ophis @Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska i dont either tbh. i just think of it as “directionality” and dont try to think harder than that or i’ll go crazy

@ikeWren @monkey @ophis @anemone @Merc @allison @lewdthewides @vriska @eris srry 🥀🥀

@ophis @Merc @allison @anemone @eris @ikeWren @lewdthewides @monkey @vriska id ask my not-quite technically seminarian friend about this but theres decent odds that he actually doesnt give me a good answer and just chuds out on me instead 😭