Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

let the market choose on its own.

lmao

@webjac @EUCommission if the tech sector were competitive, if we had 100s of smartphone operating systems to choose from, on equal grounds, then what you’re saying could make sense

however, this is not the world we live in. apple and google have a shared monopoly on smartphone operating systems

@EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.

As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.

these people have something sinister going on kn their thinking organs

@fiore we can all be happy if we didnt care about alot of things

@fiore responding on fedi about some libertarian bullshit to the eu

@fiore tbh you can't expect someone with faceshot + fullname on the internet to have good critical thinking skills

@fiore looks like brain damage to me if someone trusts a for profit comapny. Let alone CrApple.

@fiore how tf could having more options possibly negatively impact their experience ??

@lizzie @fiore too many options are scawyy. I need apple to make my diet too.

@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Because if the regulations don't apply to Apple, they don't apply to Google either, and then you suddenly don't have an option, should you wish interoperability or replaceable services.

Perhaps more people would use alternative marketplaces on iOS if those weren't an afterthought, implemented to please regulators and then do no more.

@algernon @EUCommission @gklka I agree that they are an afterthought because the entire thing was a forced feature that no one asked for.

@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka Noone you know. :)

Case in point, I never considered buying an iPhone primarily because the lack of alternate markets. There were multiple points in time when I would have bought one, if there were.

Yes, I'm not an iPhone user, and likely never will be, but I could have been. I'm not the only one either.

Yes, I'm probably not Apple's target audience. Still: alternative markets are useful. Perhaps not for iPhone users, but for other people (and there are a lot of those!). Regulation is supposed to apply equally to everybody, this, if the EU wants to ensure alternative markets on $X, then they'll have to be available on $Y too, and that includes Apple's iPhone.

@algernon @EUCommission @gklka And it’s awesome that we have a choice to buy what we need or want.

@zsolt @algernon @EUCommission My opinion is that if Apple would play by EU rules then it would be beneficial for every user. Of course since they resist it is a hassle instead. But that’s entirely Apple’s call.

@gklka @algernon @EUCommission We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, which is fucking frustrating, because as a user I shouldn’t even care about that. What I do care about is that I can’t use features of a product I bought (for years) because of political games.

I’m not saying Apple is doing the right thing here. They are not. But neither the EU.

@zsolt @gklka @EUCommission What is wrong with the EU trying to enforce that all players play by the same rules?

Because that's the gist of this, really.

@fiore

@lizzie @fiore choosing is hard :(

@algernon @gklka @EUCommission Nothing is wrong with that. But that’s not what is happening in real life, and the customer gets punished.

@zsolt @gklka @EUCommission Then blame the party who doesn't play by the rules: Apple.

The rules are beneficial. Apple deciding to restrict features instead of playing by the rules is Apple's fault, and theirs only.

@algernon @gklka @EUCommission Yes, I’m not suggesting that Apple is the victim here. They do have to work on their products to make them compliant. However, the EU should consider the underlying reasons for this situation. Even with good intentions, the outcomes of the rules in this case don’t align with what customers want. Therefore, the rules need to be reevaluated.

@zsolt @gklka @EUCommission I disagree. A company being hellbent on not playing by the rules is not on the rulemaker to fix.

The fix is easy: either provide the same level of access to third party AI stuff, or drive Apple's own through the same sandbox or w/e the others are subjected to. It's not hard.

If people really don't want third party AI, or third party app stores, they can simply... not install them, and use their devices as-is.

The only thing they'd lose is being able to play victim. Doing so will sooner or later stop being a wise play anyway.

(Obviously, the optics of "every AI has full access to your phone" is not a good look. I consider that as a happy accident.)

@algernon @gklka @EUCommission Well, it is hard to do. It takes a lot of engineering / design effort to make something open, but also well integrated within a system. (1/3)

@zsolt @gklka @EUCommission Then let the other things access the same stuff. Then it's on them to integrate well.

And yes, EU accepted the crappy malicious compliance. It shouldn't have. The rules should be stricter, not more lax.

As for what's the point: Android. Without Apple being forced, Google wouldn't allow third party stores either (they fight tooth and nail against it! The difference is that they made the "mistake" of allowing them early, without being forced, to gain market share I guess).

Rules apply to and affect more than just one company's customers. It sucks for Apple users that Apple only does malicious compliance, but that's on Apple. It helps everyone else. It would help Apple users too, if the rules were stricter.

At the end of the day the questions is still this: does it benefit us as customers to spend time on that because a regulation requires it? What I see in the case of alternative stores, and 3rd-party browser engines is that nobody uses these things, because Apple made them intentionally crappy, and the EU still accepted it as compliant. (2/3)
@algernon @gklka @EUCommission

But if nobody uses them, then what’s the point? (3/3)
@algernon @gklka @EUCommission

@algernon @zsolt @gklka @EUCommission

to gain market share I guess

from what i know a lot of the people who worked on android in the early days actually cared about not being evil. it was built out with a very explicit intent of making it an open platform. then at some point management started getting uppity about that i suppose

@zsolt @EUCommission @gklka oh no, EU is protecting customers. How could they!?

@tragivictoria @EUCommission @gklka What are we protecting with these overcomplicated rules that end up in annoying cookie alerts at the end? Are we forcing “interoperability” on customers who clearly don’t care? I’ll buy an Android phone if I want interoperability and replaceable services.

@zsolt @tragivictoria @EUCommission @gklka There is a misunderstanding of cookie alert here : alert is when the site tracks you and steal your data. Not about cookies. Sites not tracking the user do not have the alert

@uzakl @tragivictoria @EUCommission @gklka The cookie alert was the result of a regulation. It made some things better (privacy) and others worse (UX). Lawmakers should think about the worse part.

@zsolt @uzakl @tragivictoria @EUCommission @gklka Bzzt. The cookie alert is malicious compliance. If you respect your users, you do not need a cookie alert.

The correct thing to do is respecting your users.

If you see a cookie banner, it is due to either of these things:

• "We and 1k partners with legitimate interest" bullshit.
• Someone who doesn't know it's only mandatory if they abuse tracking.

The regulation is fine. Malicious compliance is what hurts the end user, not the regulation. You do not relax regulation because of malicious actors. You make it stricter and fine them.

@karebu lmfao

@fiore

Could you call that a thinking organ?

@fiore captain bootlicker, he sits on it daily if you know what I mean. I can never go back to an iphone 😩

@angeliclayer @fiore I bought an iPhone 7 years ago and I haven’t been able to justify getting a new phone, so I guess I’m trapped here

@TransTina @fiore you should probably get a new phone if you aren't getting security updates

@angeliclayer @fiore I think I still am, I got one earlier this year

@angeliclayer @TransTina eh who cares about that

@fiore @angeliclayer not me

@angeliclayer @fiore yeah may 11 was the last one

@fiore @TransTina why does nobody care about that

@angeliclayer @TransTina because if all you do eoth your phone is call and text people, aint nobody stealing anything from you

@fiore sinister? seems pretty chuddy and right-wing to me

@rusty__shackleford @fiore a "rationalizing existing allegiances to excuse oppression and violence that favours oneself" organ then

@webjac you are not a human being but a farm animal

@EUCommission

@webjac @EUCommission When you have a duopoly, it's very clearly not a free market.

@kalleboo @webjac @EUCommission the duopoly only exists due to other regulations, specifically the IP laws

@webjac @EUCommission But there is no such thing as 'the market'. And better don't trust apple.

@EUCommission

One more reason for sane US citizens to migrate to Europe:)

@zsolt https://brain.worm.pink/notice/B7BP5mjQL3aHYFfgVk

@EUCommission @gklka

@EUCommission no, the reason is that Apple does not want ANY random LLM to be able to scan our phones, the EU and their braindead people deciding on this should get their shit together and simply allow Apple to use what they think is the best. I want SIRI AI and I don't want you to dictate what Apple can or cannot! I hope my country leaves the EU soon, I really hope so!

@d4v normally when a species of animal is domesticated into a stupid docile version of itself they usually breed them to be varied and colourful

how come when it happens to humans they all end up being pasty white men with beards?

@EUCommission

@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu I am really confused about some of the comments under this post. Are people afraid of... choice?

Sure, trust Apple and just use whatever they recommend, no problem there. But where's the issue in having more choice?

@lelehier @EUCommission

if you follow EUCommission the comments underneath is always a sea of reply guys whining and high holy "extremely serious" outrage... on stupid bullshit premises

they're trolls

it's fake astroturfed discontent

they work an anti-EU agenda

they may not even be in the EU (their profiles can lie about where they are from)

they will use any premise to attack

here it is: "how dare you question holy Apple!"

it's lying fake bullshit

attacking the #EU is their real agenda

@lelehier @EUCommission Not afraid of choice. People try to explain why Apple refuses to offer the choice. They implemented their own AI features in a way that they can’t ever access your data. If they open those APIs up to other vendors, they provide them with full access to nearly all data on your device. Apple can’t control what those vendors do with that data. They could easily offer the choice, but how would they warn an average user about what that would mean for access to their data?

@lelehier I am with you - I think it is the minority who is afraid to have freedom of choice - and as always, making a choice means to take responsibility, to be able to do so requires a minimum of brain activity. The loudest unfortunately are always the dumbest. @EUCommission

@EUCommission To be clear: Apple was not unable, but much rather *unwilling* to develop interoperability. This is intentional.

@ikeWren @fiore i just try to say something that's funny to get blocked for

@TheOneDoc @fiore https://brain.worm.pink/notice/B7BPHoG8U7PtlRhpQm

europeans can only make products when they escape europe. while inside europe, they can only make laws.

well that quote didn't include the context at all, damn

@webjac @EUCommission im glad this is pissing off tech bros. May you live in a world that really pisses you off

@d4v @EUCommission you ever get so pissed off u don’t have a toy on your phone u start brexit 2

@ophis @fiore @ikeWren i just try to say something worse after i see you say it

@EUCommission this post is a parade of mediocre bourgeois white guys seething, another common yurop W

@fiore @TransTina I've been in courtrooms all day looking at acquired evidence SMS and calls via the police

@angeliclayer @TransTina yea but sms is vulnerable in general, doesnt matter the ios version youre on

@fiore @TransTina my question is then whos using thru phone just call and text

@angeliclayer @TransTina imean, other stuff is usually cloud servicrs and those are WAYY more vulnerable on the server side and attackers will much more likely target that since that way they get access to millions of users rather than just one

@fiore @TransTina I'm a transgendered woman in the big city

@angeliclayer @TransTina Hell Yea

@fiore @TransTina 😭