@Erato_Heti i think that most of this is generally true to me . and i dont think that "all moral reason is imperialistic", necessarily , i just think that the idea of a Mathematically Objectively True Morality interfaces with systems of imperialism in a way that is probably bad . like the whole thing of [doing things to people at meetings they arent invited to and ..... because they're too stupid to anyway] is exacerbated by the idea that there is an objective moral truth if someone doesn't align perfectly with that morality (because obviously they must be too stupid to have figured it out) . i agree that we have to live in the world and should make it better but i think that the back and forth of subjectivity is necessary to find a grounds on which to build it , i think we're probably just not gonna see eye to eye on that one .