The main reason I went to bat with you is because I think cannibalism is morally defensible as an act of self defense, as a ritual, as a consensual act, and so on. The arguments against cannibalism in general are deeply unserious, it can cause foodborne illness! Every fucking meat can cause foodborne illness if you eat it raw. Kuru is literally a result of eating it raw. I saw they were given you a hard time and I thought to myself its always the subjectivists who are against cannibalism anyway even though cannibalism is morally defensible from the proper priors.

@Erato_Heti this didn't piss me off it made me chuckle

@Erato_Heti cooking brain tissue doesnt make its proteins any less improperly folded actually. one should just not eat brain tissue.

@Erato_Heti kinda funny , because as someone who considers herself a subjectivist i agree with this pretty much completely

@georgia @Erato_Heti I've eaten brain a couple times... I'm Romanian...

@georgia @Erato_Heti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creier_pane
it's good stuff tbh, I wonder how difficult it'd be to replicate the texture vegetarianly

@patchuun @Erato_Heti my ashkenazi jewish great grandfather ate cow brain smeared on toast regularly

@georgia @Erato_Heti it was my maternal grandma's favorite food

@patchuun @Erato_Heti delicious CJD

@patchuun @Erato_Heti my mom has tried it and called it bland

@georgia @Erato_Heti she died of Alzheimer's and sometimes I do wonder...

@georgia @Erato_Heti (and yes that is yet another of the many reasons I have got to quit drinking )

@patchuun @Erato_Heti I could never have a drinking problem I find alcohol so grody

I figured that was likely which is why I am almost always talking past people on the issue of a diatribe rather than at them. It's not actually nessecary to ground the cannibalism example but it triggered in my head as an example of the general flaw in that approach. Lots of cultural relativists in anthropology think the best thing you can do is quietly make your case not to do that to them when you visit. Then they all go back to the people that paid them and report those findings regardless which have a far more carceral impact. For me, a lot of the weaknesses of this model of thought can be found in the cavalier recklessness of the field of Anthropology writ large.

@Erato_Heti you deleted your other reply and idk if it's coming back but here's what I was gonna reply with:

I could, if I actually had any moral hangups about cannibalism, but I don't. Consensual cannibalism is inarguably more ethical than carnism tbh

Weve already done enough today I didnt want to get us lost in another nuance. I get why people hate this stuff. Moral continuity just begets more moral continuity.

@Erato_Heti I think that in order for a morality to be truly objective, it /has/ to be able to account for culture, for individual aesthetic preferences, prejudices, etc. If something is to be considered objectively "right" or "wrong" there needs to be real, reproducible, inameliorable, solid reason for it; "I have a culturally ingrained disgust response to this act" does not suffice

Yes.

@Erato_Heti i think this is more an issue of the emic-etic boundary than relativism to be honest . i would maybe even argue that if people were MORE relativistic and subjectivistic this wouldnt really be an issue , though im not really sure how that argument would hold up because i havent properly thought it through

@patchuun @Erato_Heti i reject the idea that anything can be divorced from its cultural context . any means of determining realness or reason will always be grounded in the social tools that preexist (including logics and mathematics! which are socially constructed) . i'd like to be clear that i don't think it's futile to try to make a Better Moral System ultimately i think it's good to do this , i think i mostly just disagree with the means