fwiw i dont like fo run javascript on my servers but thats not because its inherently slow (it isnt, lol) or insecure (???) but because it feels kinda 2018-corpo-techbro-silicon valley vibes to me so its just . not my taste . but like if to you it feels different its whatever i guess , like . node is fast enough .

haha funny “how long since a js framework came out” “react bad” joke

thats FE but like yknow some people like to pull all of it in the same basket so

@fiore In general I’ve never really understood passionate “hate” of a programming language, it feels very forced. Disliking using it or disagreeing with design decisions sure. But going out of your way to trash it feels very……childish.

@nagirin imean to be fair what we are talking ab out here is Not Liking JS For A Specific Usecase (backend).

like commonly opinions like these arent as bad imo, like “using a rust framework for your frontend is bound to give you some headaches” is a reasonable take , but in this case specifically the people that complain about it dont realize that like . Everyone Is Doing This. everyone is running a node backend and theres kinda nothing you can do about that ,

@fiore if js allowed me to do what i do i would use it bc js is properly standardised and has several implementations

and isn't as much of a piece of shit as c

@SRAZKVT yknow what fair enough . it is one of the few actually standardized multiply implemented languages . god dammit

CC: @fiore@brain.worm.pink

I run Node despite hating Javascript (perhaps irrationally) for making browsers such bloatware. Node is for running Sigmawall crawler protection. But Node cannot connect to the internet, the firewall blocks it, it sits behind Nginx, so I don't have to think too much about NPM attacks or whatever.

@fiore does js suck ? yea. every language does. does the ecosystem suck ? like most other languages, yes.

@brettm honestly im much more mad about web browsers than i am about node

@fiore yea, there's c, scheme, but scheme doesn't standardise things necessary for write applications, common lisp is a mess of a language, c++ same as common lisp

then you have dead languages like pascal or sml, and langs that no longer follow their own standard, like haskell

@fiore this is honestly pathetic of the software engineering community

@SRAZKVT languages have gone from being a standardized baseline (yknow, a Language) to a Piece Of Software and thats just upsetting

@brettm @fiore i should really get to the sigmawall C++ rewrite already

@fiore yea

@fiore honestly i don't know why languages like python, tcl and lua aren't standardised

@SRAZKVT faster paced development with less boundaries

@fiore they've passed the point in popularity where a language should become a standard

@fiore oh also perl

@SRAZKVT can you cw this i have ptsd from having seen Perl code once and it gave me trauma forever it was so ugly

@fiore you're a language that's used in safety critical environments, fast paced development with less boundaries isn't what you want

@SRAZKVT and yet here we are

@SRAZKVT standardizing means giving up some control . thats the thing

@fiore

Perl is like somone took bash seriously and decided to make it a programming language for shissengiggles

it's a trauma vector for young programmers

@nagirin @fiore

when you are forced to use it, either by your company or by network effects, you will come to understand how dislike can grow to hate

@nachtrabe @fiore That just holds with stuff in general outside programming……I go to uni I’ve had my fair share of stuff I don’t like forced upon me, that doesn’t mean need to be immature enough to stoop down to hating it just because I dislike it.

@kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net @fiore@brain.worm.pink ohhhh sounds good!

@fiore@brain.worm.pink node seems ok i just dislike javascript in general

@fiore holy fucking truth nuke. javaacript should NEVER run in a server environment it should only only only only only ever run on a client to make a funny website so funny things. and if you really want a javascript to, like, DO something for you, just put it in a html file like me #FuckNode

@sierra i slap that bitch like sierra slaps <script> tags on her pages