the average person is a literal sex addict tbh. they genuinely suffer if they dont get their fix

@georgia it's almost like it's something we have to do to continue existing

@snacks reproducing and gooning are very different and its very possible to exist without sex

@georgia > its very possible to exist without sex
Ig if you're jesus

@snacks lots of people have been celibate

@georgia biologically speaking reproduction is just part of your lifecycle. You literally die if you don't do it

@snacks @georgia you also die if you do it

@georgia you literally can't exist without sex

@lizzie @georgia biologically speaking, not really

@snacks @georgia you can quite easily exist without being the one to have it

@snacks you dont "literally die" thats incredibly hyperbolic. sex and survival are two distinct instincts.

@snacks and yet I do exist without sex

@georgia so you've met pepple who don't age?

@georgia dammn, you should inform the pope about your mom then

@snacks @georgia i feel like youre conflating the species with the individual members. lots of species have lots of non-reproductive members. lots of people have been celibate

@snacks I know your motive is rooted in defending gooner behavior but you sound like an unhinged natalist evopsycher right now. lots of people live happy full lives without sex.

@lizzie @georgia your child is literally a cell of yours. If that's not you surviving then you die hundreds of times every day
I am arguing purely biologogically, trying to explain why sex drive is so strong usually

@georgia can i meet these people who where born to virgin mothers or just popped into existence?

@snacks @lizzie I already reincarnate I dont need to live vicariously through biological children

@snacks your reasoning is fallacious. just because sex creates life doesnt mean one must live for sex and base their life around it.

@snacks @georgia your child has a different genome from you. different thoughts. different tastes and words and loves. you will die. im not particularly concerned with living on in biology anyway. “waiter waiter more samsara please” whatever dude

@snacks @lizzie @georgia this is one of the most braindead pseud takes on evolution and reproduction i've ever read. you can jerk off all you want, no one is stopping you. no need to come up with some post-hoc "scientific" rationalization for it.

@lizzie @snacks one uniquely lives on through biological children in such a superficial way. your genes aren't even yours, theyre your grandparents. I'd rather live on through a legacy of being kind to all kinds of people. it is better to adopt.

@rowb1t @lizzie @georgia i have no idea why you all need to pretend there isnct a reason for sex drive

@georgia @lizzie and yet evolution is real

@rowb1t @georgia @lizzie ig you're either a eunuch or a gooner, no inbetween

@snacks @lizzie @rowb1t youre kind of being an asshole now

@snacks @rowb1t @lizzie there is an instinctual reason for sex, that doesnt mean one literally can't live without it or that to be celibate is to die.

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t st augustine approved take

@snacks @lizzie @georgia there is a reason for the sex drive, but you've clearly demonstrated you have no understanding of it or the evolutionary concept of "fitness."

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t nobody has claimed sex drive doesnt tend to perpetuate itself. the question has been “must it rule over a human who can think and make decisions”

@rowb1t @lizzie @georgia what happens to a species that ceases to reproduce?

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t one may choose to indulge it. one may choose to forgo it. in any case let it be by their own intention and not just shrugging and blaming their decisions on some inevitability of biology

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t i am not the whole species and neither are you

@lizzie @snacks @rowb1t exactly, a human being is above other animals in that we aren't a slave to every instinct. we can and should transcend the world of the senses. and in addition to that, I'd argue that the gooner is an unnatural product of ubiquitous pornography, not someone who is merely following instinct.

@lizzie @georgia @rowb1t@social.xenofem.methere theee was no question in the op, i was merely trying to explain why most animals experience a strong sex drive

@snacks @lizzie @georgia not all members of a population need to reproduce, particularly in a social species. in fact it is advantageous to have individuals in a population that do not reproduce.

@snacks @georgia there is a difference between experiencing a drive and being an addict like georgia said

@lizzie @georgia have you seen a male dog when he gets close to a female one in heat? Even among other social animals those "addicts" are tame.
I don't really understand this situation. It feels like you all are trying to explain to me the people mentioned in the op can't exist now

@lizzie @georgia i never even tried to say if it's good or bad, just to give an explanation for why it happens

@georgia @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t while I totally agree with the last statement, the rest of the post is bullshit pseudo religion. We don't have to transcend anything, we need to cleanse and integrate the most layers of conscience on our experience.

@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t the result of transcending the senses is conscious existence being cleansed. pratyahara is just a step to samadhi. anyway, believing in yoga or the perennial philosophy is not necessary for believing that hedonism is not a good way to live.

@georgia @lizzie @rowb1t i'm getting called a gooner for explaining the bees and the flowers, i'm allowed to get reductionist too

@snacks @lizzie @rowb1t youre not just explaining how sex works you are taking the role of sex in the species as a whole and totalizing it onto every individual even though as row said it is beneficial for many people not to reproduce.

@georgia @lizzie @rowb1t and so it's really weird that humans generally have a sex drive or what?

@snacks @georgia @lizzie @rowb1t
ITT moid explaining male sex drive

@snacks @georgia @lizzie @rowb1t
just clean your pipe once a week for your health man
A lava lamp would probably suffice as inspiration by then no need for pornography

@dagda @lizzie @georgia @snacks @rowb1t Ay plumbing tiem

@snacks @lizzie @rowb1t having a sex drive is one thing, being literally unable to go without even if you desire to go without is addiction. but a healthy minority of people are willing and able to be totally celibate.

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t it is weird that people broadly engage with it that thoughtlessly yeah

@georgia @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t I wasn't talking about hedonism, I was talking about the disadvantages of repression that were the source to create the conditions to the gooner porn addiction and other similar expressions. Think about the sages that realized that sex energy is something we have and it's powerful and beautiful, that is just different in manifestation than others form of energy, and that can be used instead of wasting it.

@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t sex in left hand path tantra or in daoist sexual alchemy is controlled. porn and sex addiction and most masturbation is not controlled. I also think that the belief that pornography is fueled by sexual repression is a libertine take. if that were true sex addiction would be more common in conservative societies, not liberal ones.

@georgia @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t yeah cause catholic priests don't rape child, cause conservative politics don't masturbate to trans porn, cause our societies aren't results of centuries of imposed repressive education. I'm not arguing against control (when well understood the meaning of control), I'm arguing against repression.

@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t you make a good point re homosexual males becoming presets and conservative politicians. the bacha bazi are similarly an extreme effect of gender apartheid. most priests watch porn ive heard as well. but regardless, I believe sex and porn addiction is more common in sexually "liberated" (lol) societies. I might be wrong though.

@georgia @sathariel @lizzie @rowb1t you have easier access to it in a sexually liberated society but you will also face less issues when being open about i'd assume it happens more but it's also definetly more visible

@georgia @lizzie @rowb1t and people die as martyrs, soldiers, or to protect loved ones despite the fact that not diying is an important part of live. There's a bunch of shit in us dedicated to making us wanna reproduce, it's just more or less strong and as you've said, an important part of being human is to not just act on every instinct. Yet there's still murderers, rapists, some are so fat it kills them, others starve themselves to death, some will engage in insanely reckless behaviour just to get a thrill

@georgia @lizzie @rowb1t it's just part of the human spectrum

@snacks @georgia @lizzie @rowb1t
This whole thread is part of the spectrum 😭😭😭

@dagda @georgia @lizzie @rowb1t i wasn't sure if i should make a tism joke about this

@sathariel @georgia @snacks @rowb1t tbh “catholic priests rape children bc theyre celibate” is a terrible example. the southern baptist convention also has a lot of pastors raping children and their pastors are highly encouraged to be (and almost always are) in sexually active marriages. it has more to deal with the kind of authority they wield over their communities than “repression”

@lizzie @sathariel @snacks @rowb1t oh I didnt know that. with politicians it can also be considered to be abuse of authority, or self hatred rather than societal repression

@georgia @sathariel @snacks @rowb1t i was literally living at a southern baptist church when the news broke that the executives were actively protecting the pastors who did that from the law

not getting involved in this fuckin thread so I'll say it here instead: All forms of sexual abuse are about power, not sex. It's always about authority and wielding power over someone else, . ESPECIALLY child sexual abuse.

it's why gamers in a xbox lobby threaten to rape you. logically, one might think "ayo sus??" but raping someone isn't having sex with them, it's abusing them—overpowering and humiliating them. not with their cock's but with their gun's ....? well you get what I mean

RE: https://brain.worm.pink/objects/76029619-49f4-4290-b85f-53bed43ee6b4

@georgia @rowb1t @sathariel @snacks the convention still playing games abt it and trying to cover it up btw